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Java Forum / General / July 2005Best Compiler
I'm just about to start a course in data structures and algorithms using Java as the language. I haven't touched Java for a couple of years. Can anyone advise of a good compiler to use. Most recently I've been using Microsoft C++ .Net in ANSI mode, and I have liked using this tool. Thanks for any advice.. > I'm just about to start a course in data structures and algorithms using > Java as the language. I haven't touched Java for a couple of years. Can > anyone advise of a good compiler to use. Sun's. It comes with the SDK. >..Most recently I've been using > Microsoft C++ .Net in ANSI mode, and I have liked using this tool. Do you like command line tools?  SignatureAndrew Thompson physci.org 1point1c.org javasaver.com lensescapes.com athompson.info Mr Bender's Wardrobe By ROBOTANY 500 > I'm just about to start a course in data structures and algorithms using > Java as the language. I haven't touched Java for a couple of years. Can > anyone advise of a good compiler to use. Most recently I've been using > Microsoft C++ .Net in ANSI mode, and I have liked using this tool. jikes.exe is very fast. But you need to include the -classpath on the command line or in the batch file. http://jikes.sourceforge.net/ >>I'm just about to start a course in data structures and algorithms using >>Java as the language. I haven't touched Java for a couple of years. Can [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://jikes.sourceforge.net/ Martijn: You don't actually have to do that. You can add an environment variable JIKESPATH. You have to include the location of rt.jar though. Oh I guess I shouldn't be so hasty, the procedure is slightly different on Linux. SignatureKnute Johnson email s/nospam/knute/ >>> I'm just about to start a course in data structures and >>> algorithms using Java as the language. I haven't [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Oh I guess I shouldn't be so hasty, the procedure is > slightly different on Linux. This is what I have in my jikes.bat file: jikes.exe -Xstdout -classpath c:\jdk1.5.0\jre\lib\rt.jar -deprecation %1 > error.txt vi.exe error.txt Only 1 key press from vi.exe. Yeah! > This is what I have in my jikes.bat file: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Only 1 key press from vi.exe. Yeah! That's pretty slick Martijn! SignatureKnute Johnson email s/nospam/knute/ >> This is what I have in my jikes.bat file: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That's pretty slick Martijn! I know, and I intend to keep it this way. It took days, weeks to come to this. If there is anybody out there who wants his command line processing efficient and simple, I am more than willing to help. >I'm just about to start a course in data structures and algorithms using >Java as the language. I haven't touched Java for a couple of years. Can >anyone advise of a good compiler to use. Most recently I've been using >Microsoft C++ .Net in ANSI mode, and I have liked using this tool. Do you mean "compiler", or do you really mean "IDE"? Lee Weiner lee AT leeweiner DOT org If you meant to say "IDE" instead of "compiler" check these free options out: Eclipse from www.eclipse.org JDeveloper from www.oracle.com Netbeans from www.netbeans.org My preference is for Eclipse > I'm just about to start a course in data structures and algorithms using > Java as the language. I haven't touched Java for a couple of years. Can > anyone advise of a good compiler to use. Most recently I've been using > Microsoft C++ .Net in ANSI mode, and I have liked using this tool. For you, best means "provides the most information when my program is not correct so I can get it working" I use Eclipse IDE and if there are errors in a Java source file, Eclipse marks it with a little red x. Furthermore if I click on the x it gives me some idea of what's wrong (e.g. "you need a semicolon to complete this statement"). Thanks to all for your advice... I did actually mean IDE, Eclipse appears to be a good start... Regards, Gary >> I'm just about to start a course in data structures and algorithms using >> Java as the language. I haven't touched Java for a couple of years. Can [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > idea of what's wrong (e.g. "you need a semicolon to complete this > statement"). > Thanks to all for your advice... I did actually mean IDE, Eclipse appears to > be a good start... Please ensure your students have enough documentation and support for their Eclipse that they do not feel the need to come here and ask 'why Eclipse will not [1]?' or 'how can I make Eclipse [1]?'. [1] ..whatever. TIA SignatureAndrew Thompson physci.org 1point1c.org javasaver.com lensescapes.com athompson.info Presented in BC [Brain Control] Where Available >>Thanks to all for your advice... I did actually mean IDE, Eclipse appears to >>be a good start... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to come here and ask 'why Eclipse will not [1]?' or > 'how can I make Eclipse [1]?'. I thought that Gary was the student, not the teacher. Hopefully he is not teaching a course when he hasn't "touched Java for a couple of years". I would recommend using BlueJ in this course, which he said was about data structures and algorithms in Java. If the focus is on data structures and algorithms you don't want to add the burden of using the command line tools. SignatureDale King >>>Thanks to all for your advice... I did actually mean IDE, Eclipse appears to >>>be a good start... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I thought that Gary was the student, not the teacher. Hopefully he is > not teaching a course when he hasn't "touched Java for a couple of years". Uggh. I read 'just about to start a course in' as meaning the OP was teaching it. > I would recommend using BlueJ in this course, which he said was about > data structures and algorithms in Java. If the focus is on data > structures and algorithms you don't want to add the burden of using the > command line tools. That is (endlessly) debatable(*). Not what the OP wants, but that which works best. So, Dale.. When the OP pops back in to descibe how 'their IDE' will not compile a packaged class, are you going to jump in to guide them as to which menu and option of their IDE to tweak? * Because if you cannot provide that assurance, the approach of using the tools that the audience are familiar with, will probably best suit a person who comes to usenet for advice.. SignatureAndrew Thompson physci.org 1point1c.org javasaver.com lensescapes.com athompson.info Bigfoot's Choice >>>>Thanks to all for your advice... I did actually mean IDE, Eclipse appears to >>>>be a good start... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>structures and algorithms you don't want to add the burden of using the >>command line tools. Uggh. Somehow I left off the part about "If he were teaching the course...". I was saying that the best tool for a teacher in a course focussed on data structures and algorithms would be BlueJ. > That is (endlessly) debatable(*). It is certainly endlessly debated, but not in my mind debatable ;-) The argument that always comes up in these debates is the notion that it is important to learn how to invoke the command line tools. That is not valid in a course that is about data structures not Java programming. You don't care in that course if they learn how to invoke the command line tools you care if they understand how a heap works and how quicksort works. > Not what the OP wants, but that which works best. Well Gary did eventually say he wanted an IDE. But we are talking hypothetical here since I was referring to the teacher of a course. > So, Dale.. When the OP pops back in to descibe how 'their IDE' > will not compile a packaged class, are you going to jump in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > using the tools that the audience are familiar with, will probably > best suit a person who comes to usenet for advice.. I assume your response is based on my not clearly saying that I was referring to the teacher of the course and not the student. If the teacher cannot handle such questions then they are not qualified to teach the course. And that is the reason why I would recommend BlueJ for this. There is nothing to tweak for this. You simply hit the compile button. If a student has the expertise to use a different tool then they can, but then they are responsible for supporting it. I was addressing the tool a teacher would use as the standard tool for a course. SignatureDale King (IDE/comand line knowledge of Java tools) > ..That is not > valid in a course that is about data structures not Java programming. Good point. <stubbornly> My attitude of "don't come here for IDE advice" stands though. </stubbornly> SignatureAndrew Thompson physci.org 1point1c.org javasaver.com lensescapes.com athompson.info Soon To Be A Major Religion > So, Dale.. When the OP pops back in to descibe how 'their IDE' > will not compile a packaged class, are you going to jump in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > using the tools that the audience are familiar with, will probably > best suit a person who comes to usenet for advice.. I guess it is known that I am also in the "know your tools" fraction, and think that it is a good idea to know how the command line tools (and the classpath) work. But, I think it is justifiable to recommend BlueJ to students. Last time I looked at that IDE it was so self-contained that it will really not come to student's minds to think about packaging, building jars, "making exes", or other stuff like this. In BlueJ you twiddle with your objects and source code, and that's it. You don't even get to see a "static void main(String args[])" if you don't want to. /Thomas SignatureThe comp.lang.java.gui FAQ: ftp://ftp.cs.uu.nl/pub/NEWS.ANSWERS/computer-lang/java/gui/faq http://www.uni-giessen.de/faq/archiv/computer-lang.java.gui.faq/ Thomas Weidenfeller <nobody@ericsson.invalid> wrote or quoted: > But, I think it is justifiable to recommend BlueJ to students. Last time > I looked at that IDE it was so self-contained that it will really not > come to student's minds to think about packaging, building jars, "making > exes", or other stuff like this. In BlueJ you twiddle with your objects > and source code, and that's it. You don't even get to see a "static void > main(String args[])" if you don't want to. It sounds like a good way of learning OOP - but maybe not such a good way of learning Java. ...and if learning OOP is the goal, why start with a language like Java in the first place? Java hasn't yet managed to embrace the idea of making everything an object - surely a pretty basic OO concept. Signature__________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ tim@tt1lock.org Remove lock to reply. >> So, Dale.. When the OP pops back in to descibe how 'their IDE' >> will not compile a packaged class, are you going to jump in to guide [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and think that it is a good idea to know how the command line tools (and > the classpath) work. Well in this case we were talking about a course in data structures and algorithms. Teaching the command line tools is not a goal of such a course and not relevant. But let's ignore that and say it is truly a course on Java programming. I am in the "know your language then know your tools" faction, because that is the order that makes sense. You can't know the tools unless (and until) you know the language. Starting newbies out on an IDE does not mean that you never teach them the comand line tools. It only means you teach them the language first so that they will be able to understand what you are talking about when you teach them the tools. SignatureDale King >I'm just about to start a course in data structures and algorithms using >Java as the language. I haven't touched Java for a couple of years. Can >anyone advise of a good compiler to use. Most recently I've been using >Microsoft C++ .Net in ANSI mode, and I have liked using this tool. Another way to ask that question is which IDE should I use? It then may have its own internal incremental compiler, that it uses in adjunct to Javac, Jikes or some other. see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/ide.html You will always want Sun for the final distribution. see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/javacexe.html you also probably want to get started early with ant since it is the way everyone does big builds nowadays. 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