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Is there anything like Oracle ADF in other Java IDE tools ?

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krislioe@gmail.com - 28 Jun 2005 09:38 GMT
Hi,

I am looking for another framework like Oracle ADF to be used with Java
IDE other than JDeveloper.

We have found that ADF makes development easier, BUT today there is
anouncement from Oracle that ADF is 5K per processor or USD 100 per
named user. (if deployed into other than Oracle IAS)

This is shocking for marketing.

Could any body please tell me, what are other (cheaper) product that is
comparable to Oracle ADF ?

Thank you very much for any info,
Krist
Bryce - 28 Jun 2005 14:53 GMT
>Hi,
>
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>Could any body please tell me, what are other (cheaper) product that is
>comparable to Oracle ADF ?

JSF?

MyFaces?
http://www.myfaces.org/

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now with more cowbell
Malte - 28 Jun 2005 15:18 GMT
>>Hi,
>>
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> --
> now with more cowbell

Got very little in common with adf, I am afraid.
Bryce - 28 Jun 2005 22:02 GMT
>>>Could any body please tell me, what are other (cheaper) product that is
>>>comparable to Oracle ADF ?
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>> MyFaces?
>> http://www.myfaces.org/

>Got very little in common with adf, I am afraid.

You sure about that? I thought ADF were Oracle's JSF components...

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Malte - 28 Jun 2005 22:22 GMT
>>>>Could any body please tell me, what are other (cheaper) product that is
>>>>comparable to Oracle ADF ?
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> --
> now with more cowbell

Look it up!
Bryce - 29 Jun 2005 16:10 GMT
>>>>>Could any body please tell me, what are other (cheaper) product that is
>>>>>comparable to Oracle ADF ?
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>
>Look it up!

http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/jdev/htdocs/partners/addins/exchange/j
sf/index.html


First Paragraph:
"Oracle ADF Faces is a rich set of user interface components based on
the new JavaServer Faces JSR (JSR-127). "

States they are JSF components. MyFaces are JSF components. So I think
they have more than a "little" in common. Yea, ADF components are nice
though...

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gevatron@yahoo.com - 30 Jun 2005 02:00 GMT
Just to clarify ADF != ADF Faces
ADF Faces (which are a rich set of JSF components) is just one layer of
the full ADF framework.
ADF also has parts that handle O/R mapping and persistence as well as
data binding into your jsp/struts or JSP or Swing applications.
Have a look at this short demo:
http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/jdev/viewlets/10g/ADFOverview_viewlet_
swf.html


And the way you should think of it is not that you pay 5k per ADF CPU -
because it won't make much sense given that you can get the full Oracle
AS Java Edition with ADF for the same price.
krislioe@gmail.com - 30 Jun 2005 04:06 GMT
Hi gevat,

gevatron@yahoo.com menuliskan: > Just to clarify ADF != ADF Faces
> And the way you should think of it is not that you pay 5k per ADF CPU -
> because it won't make much sense given that you can get the full Oracle
> AS Java Edition with ADF for the same price.

Yes.. I know it, but my problem is to customer that does not want to
pay 5k for Oracle AS Java Edition.. We must use other framework..
We must find the cheaper one

regards.
Malte - 30 Jun 2005 16:27 GMT
> Hi gevat,
>
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>
> regards.

Wonder what it will cost to bring another 'cheaper' solution up to the
capabilities of another, 'less cheap' solution. Customers never cease to
amaze me.
Malte - 28 Jun 2005 14:53 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> Thank you very much for any info,
> Krist

If you already use Oracle AppServer it is my understanding from the
announcement that adf runtime is free.
krislioe@gmail.com - 28 Jun 2005 15:24 GMT
Yes if we deploy on Oracle AppServer.
But we want to be able to deploy into Tomcat, JBoss etc.. now its not
free..

regards


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