 |
 | Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us |
 | Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network |
Java Forum / General / June 2005J2SE 1.4.2 or J2SE 5.0?
At Sun's download page at http://java.sun.com/j2se/ I have the choice between J2SE version 1.4.2 and J2SE version 5.0. I program applications and applets for the average Windows user. It seems there is missing some three and a half version of J2SE. Or is this policy at Sun, where they shipped Java2 as JDK1.3.1 (to complicate matters). What version will do for me? I want a stable and bug-free development kit. > At Sun's download page at > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > What version will do for me? I want a stable and bug-free development > kit. Suns' marketing people are crazy. Java 1.1 and earlier were just Java (not Java 2). Java 1.2, 1.3 and 1.4 were all Java 2. Java 5.0 is also (still) Java 2 ("the platform") but is often referred to as 1.5 as this line of versioning has been retained for the SDK (which has reverted to being referred to as the JDK). There has not been any Java 3 or Java 4. The next version is to be called Java 6 (but it will still be J2SE as the platform is still "Java 2"). So what we have these days is the "Java Development Kit version 1.5 for the Java 2 Platform Standard Edition version 5.0". This is from the same company that gave us the incredibly misleading "Sun Java Desktop". I've no idea how Sun will dig themselves out of this hole in the future. Maybe after JDK 1.9 well get J10SE? In my experience Java 5.0 is fine. Some companies want to stick with the tried and tested 1.4.2 in case there is some nasty problem lurking in 5.0 that has not beeen revealed because it has not been used as extensively. Dan.  SignatureDaniel Dyer http://www.footballpredictions.net > > At Sun's download page at > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > line of versioning has been retained for the SDK (which has reverted to > being referred to as the JDK)... <snip> fyi, the version I tried to download and install, (didn't work, the Windows installer is corrupt) is called jdk_1_5_0_04-etc... So JDK again. Shall we nominate them? >> At Sun's download page at >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Dan. Well, hold your breath. According to Graham Hamilton's blog, Sun is going to change the names of the platforms again: the Java marketing team have decided to simplify the naming system by dropping the "2" from the platform name and the ".0" from the release number. J2SE -> Java SE J2EE -> Java EE J2ME -> Java ME The next release after J2SE 5.0 (codename Tiger) will thus become "Java SE 6" (Mustang). <http://weblogs.java.net/blog/kgh/archive/2005/06/goodbye_j2se_he_1.html> <http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/javaone2005/naming.html> SignatureRegards, Roland de Ruiter ` ___ ___ `/__/ w_/ /__/ / \ /_/ / \ > Well, hold your breath. According to Graham Hamilton's blog, Sun is > going to change the names of the platforms again: the Java marketing [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > <http://weblogs.java.net/blog/kgh/archive/2005/06/goodbye_j2se_he_1.html> > <http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/javaone2005/naming.html> Well that would be a reasonably sensible move but could lead to more confusion, particularly for the enterprise edition. "J2EE" has become synonymous with "enterprise Java" and is indispensible in the buzzword bingo world of IT recruitment. HR departments will be especially confused, particularly as "Java 2 Enterprise Edition" to "Java Enterprise Edition" looks like a regression. Dan. SignatureDaniel Dyer http://www.footballpredictions.net > > Well, hold your breath. According to Graham Hamilton's blog, Sun is > > going to change the names of the platforms again: the Java marketing [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > confused, particularly as "Java 2 Enterprise Edition" to "Java Enterprise > Edition" looks like a regression. Hmmm, never thought about this. I was always thinking it didn't matter what I use because everyone I work with knows what I'm talking about regardless of what terminology I am using. I could get screened out of an interview just because I used J2EE rather than Java EE or Java Enterprise Edition. Something to remember next time I'm updating my resume. SignatureSend e-mail to: darrell dot grainger at utoronto dot ca > So what we have these days is the "Java Development Kit version 1.5 > for the Java 2 Platform Standard Edition version 5.0". This is from > the same company that gave us the incredibly misleading "Sun Java > Desktop". It's marketing, you can't have Java 1.5 when C# has 2.0, since 2.0 is higher than 1.5, indicating C# has surpassed Java (it hasn't by the way). > I've no idea how Sun will dig themselves out of this hole in the > future. Maybe after JDK 1.9 well get J10SE? It's nothing compared to Solaris. SunOS 5.7 = Solaris 2.7 = Solaris 7. http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/solaris/versions/ > I have the choice between J2SE version 1.4.2 and > J2SE version 5.0. I program applications and applets > for the average Windows user. In general, it helps for developers to have the latest SDK, unless it is a very buggy 'beta' release. With the latest SDK, you can generally do everything you could in previous SDKs (including compiling for 1.1 compatibility etc.), plus a little more. > It seems there is missing some three and a half version > of J2SE. Or is this policy at Sun, where they shipped > Java2 as JDK1.3.1 (to complicate matters). I heard it put down to 'Marketing Types' who felt there was a perception that Java was 'falling behind' because the version numbers were not going up as fast as ..the Jones' (or whatever technology was flavour of the moment). Hence, the huge leap of numbers. > What version will do for me? I want a stable and bug-free development kit. The 1.5.0_03 SDK release is pretty good, though there is still a niggling bug in the JRE that sends IE haywire if you hit an appet URL that conatins an expanded '~' (that won't be fixed until 1.5.0_04). The '03' variant is pretty safe to develop with, but I will not be recommending 1.5 to my applet users until the later (_04) fix is available. HTH SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.PhySci.org/codes/ Web & IT Help http://www.PhySci.org/ Open-source software suite http://www.1point1C.org/ Science & Technology http://www.LensEscapes.com/ Images that escape the mundane > > I have the choice between J2SE version 1.4.2 and > > J2SE version 5.0. I program applications and applets [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > not be recommending 1.5 to my applet users until the later > (_04) fix is available. Thank you Andrew, thank you Daniel. J2SE 5.0 version 4 is available now, my computer is taking it in this very moment. > J2SE 5.0 version 4 is available now, .. Hoorah! > ...my computer is taking it in this very moment. If your feed slows down, it's cos' I'm sucking all the bits to Australia. ;-) SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.PhySci.org/codes/ Web & IT Help http://www.PhySci.org/ Open-source software suite http://www.1point1C.org/ Science & Technology http://www.LensEscapes.com/ Images that escape the mundane > Thank you Andrew, thank you Daniel. J2SE 5.0 version 4 is > available now, my computer is taking it in this very moment. FWIW, you might want to get *both* 1.5 and 1.4.2. You'll still run into some situations for a while where 1.5 won't work. (Building other people's projects, mostly.) SignatureWendy Smoak > FWIW, you might want to get *both* 1.5 and 1.4.2. You'll still run into > some situations for a while where 1.5 won't work. (Building other people's > projects, mostly.) I just installed jdk1.5.0_04 on a Windows machine and compiled an application. The 'minimize' button on the right top of the frame looks crippled. Lightweight, so I suppose java put it there. When full size, the button looks OK. >>I have the choice between J2SE version 1.4.2 and >>J2SE version 5.0. I program applications and applets [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > you hit an appet URL that conatins an expanded '~' (that > won't be fixed until 1.5.0_04). If you are referring to bug 6227551 (<http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6227551>), that bug was fixed in 1.5.0_03. See <http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/ReleaseNotes.html#150_03>. > The '03' variant is pretty safe to develop with, but I will > not be recommending 1.5 to my applet users until the later > (_04) fix is available. > > HTH SignatureRegards, Roland de Ruiter ` ___ ___ `/__/ w_/ /__/ / \ /_/ / \ >> The 1.5.0_03 SDK release is pretty good, though there is >> still a niggling bug in the JRE that sends IE haywire if >> you hit an appet URL that conatins an expanded '~' (that >> won't be fixed until 1.5.0_04). > > If you are referring to bug 6227551 I was indeed. > (<http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6227551>), that bug > was fixed in 1.5.0_03. See > <http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/ReleaseNotes.html#150_03>. Aaah.. I see I misread the bug resolution now. No *wonder* no-one would talk to me, when I asked when I could download _04! Thanks for the clarification. SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.PhySci.org/codes/ Web & IT Help http://www.PhySci.org/ Open-source software suite http://www.1point1C.org/ Science & Technology http://www.LensEscapes.com/ Images that escape the mundane >>>The 1.5.0_03 SDK release is pretty good, though there is >>>still a niggling bug in the JRE that sends IE haywire if [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Thanks for the clarification. IIRC the bug was initially scheduled to be fixed in release _04. But maybe due to the severity of the bug it has been fixed earlier (or the bug was trivial to fix...) SignatureRegards, Roland de Ruiter ` ___ ___ `/__/ w_/ /__/ / \ /_/ / \ > At Sun's download page at > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > J2SE version 5.0. I program applications and applets > for the average Windows user. There are some significant syntax changes from 1.4.2 to 1.5.0 (also called J2SE 5.0). If you are just programming for yourself then go for 1.5.0. If you want to be able to write code that 1.4.2 can use then be careful. Some 1.5.0 code will not work on 1.4.2 but all 1.4.2 code will work on 1.5.0. > It seems there is missing some three and a half version > of J2SE. Or is this policy at Sun, where they shipped > Java2 as JDK1.3.1 (to complicate matters). With Sun there is marketing and there is development. It seems the two will always differ. Here is the basic run down: Dev Marketing --- --------- 1.0 Java 1.0 1.1 Java 1.1 1.2 Java 2 or J2SE 1.3 J2SE 1.3 1.4 J2SE 1.4 1.5 J2SE 5.0 1.6 Java SE 6 To be honest, I probably got something wrong. I always talk in terms of what `java -version` or `java -fullversion` outputs. All this Java 2, J2SE, Java SE stuff is really just marketing and branding. I let our marketing people deal with what (tm) and (c) stuff goes in the documentation and adverts. I'd recommend 1.5.0_03-b07. The 1.6.0 is the next release so you want to stick with something that has been out there in production environments. That would be 1.5.0. SignatureSend e-mail to: darrell dot grainger at utoronto dot ca Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
|
Reply to this Message
|
 Sign In
 Join
 My Latest Posts My Monitored Threads My Blog My Photo Gallery My Profile My Homepage Start New Thread Enable EMail Alerts Rate this Thread
|
©2008 Advenet LLC Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.