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Java Forum / GUI / May 2006What is open source in JGoodies that i can use in my apps
Hi All, I can see the following freeware in jgoodies website: 1. Forms 2. Looks 3. Validation 4. Skeleton 5. Skeleton Pro 6. Metamorphosis Which of the above things are free and open source and which ones are not. I am building a swing application and before i use it, i want to know that it's open source and that i can use it in my app like log4j and other open source libs. And I am having a lot of problems organizing my swing code. Is there any framework that i can use to build a well-organized swing application which makes it easy to maintain. Thank you. > Hi All, > And I am having a lot of problems organizing my swing code. Is there > any framework that i can use to build a well-organized swing > application which makes it easy to maintain. If I understand this question, try Netbeans or Eclipse. Netbeans, on download, handles swing (It's what I use). Eclipse has many plug ins. Jeff Coffield Hi Jeffrey, Many thanks for your response. What I am going to build is a small swing application. NetBeans, as far as what people told me, is as an over kill for a small swing application. And our management prefers hand coding for swing and any drag and drop editor to build swing components is avoided, but we do use eclipse ide to write code. So, how can NetBeans help me in this situation. Or is there another alternative. My main problem is organizing the code. Thank you very much. > ... > So, how can NetBeans help me in this situation. Or is there another > alternative. My main problem is organizing the code. the best way to organize your code is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller. the best way to insure that you do this without making a mess is to write a command line controller (use gnu getopts to parse) and a command line view (just use printf's). thanks > the best way to organize your code is: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller. A way, often a good way, not necessarily the best way for all possible applications. Like other possible architectures MVC has drawbacks. /Thomas  SignatureThe comp.lang.java.gui FAQ: ftp://ftp.cs.uu.nl/pub/NEWS.ANSWERS/computer-lang/java/gui/faq http://www.uni-giessen.de/faq/archiv/computer-lang.java.gui.faq/ > the best way to organize your code is: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller. > [...] MVC is one of the available patterns for organizing the application presentation logic. It is definitely not the best way to organize code - in all contexts - and there are other patterns that are as important as MVC, MVP or Presentation Model. For example "Separated Domain". And Swing doesn't use MVC at the component level. Instead it uses something like M-JComponent-(VC). Since most Swing components provide useful model abstractions, the "Presentation Model" (PM) pattern may hide information and reduce complexity better than MVC or MVP. Hiding information with PM comes at a price and the costs differ with the size and organization of the application. In my opinion there's no one-size-fits-all pattern that is ideal for everyone. I recommend to study the known patterns and experiment a little with them before starting a larger application. -Karsten > > the best way to organize your code is: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller. > > [...] > > MVC is one of the available patterns for organizing > the application presentation logic. sure, there are flavours listed in your faq: http://java.sun.com/products/jfc/tsc/articles/architecture/index.html > And Swing doesn't use MVC at the component level. > Instead it uses something like M-JComponent-(VC). yes, a variation. and things can get messy: http://www.danmich.com/mvcmediator/1.0/wp/white_paper.html http://www.jgoodies.com/articles/binding.pdf starting with a model (subject) and a command line (observer) view and controller helps me keep things from turning into spaghetti. thanks Thank you all, Thanks Karsten for your suggestions, JGoodies is awesome. You and your team have done a great job. I wanted to appreciate and thank your work from a very long time, got a chance today. There's lot more to swing than just adding the components... Thank you all once again. :: Hi All, :: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] :: :: Thank you. The free packages are: a.. JGoodies Animation a.. JGoodies Binding a.. JGoodies Forms a.. JGoodies Looks a.. JGoodies Validation Are demos you can load down to give you directions on good design. Skeleton Skeleton Pro Metamorphosis Forms Demo Looks Demo Validation Demo The JGoodies Suite is the produce for cost. Thanks in Advance... IchBin, Pocono Lake, Pa, USA http://weconsultants.servebeer.com/JHackerAppManager __________________________________________________________________________ 'If there is one, Knowledge is the "Fountain of Youth"' -William E. Taylor, Regular Guy (1952-) > [...] > Which of the above things are free and open source and which ones are > not. IchBin has provided the correct list of free and open source libs and no-charge binary demos that can help you design your apps. > [...] > And I am having a lot of problems organizing my swing code. Is there > any framework that i can use to build a well-organized swing > application which makes it easy to maintain. Several things can help you get started with Swing. If found that a basic understanding of desktop patterns and desktop architectures helps a lot. And I recommend to learn about Model-View-Presenter (MVP), not MVC, "Presentation Model", "Separated Domain", "Autonomous View". Then study architectures for these patterns - which should take a day or so. A good narrative that motivates all the above is Martin Fowler's "Organizing Presentation Logic". Google these three words to get a reference. I provide a bunch of presentations about desktop patterns, data binding, Swing problems, at the JGoodies articles page: http://www.jgoodies.com/articles/ The most recent versions of the "Desktop Patterns and Data Binding" presentation is here: http://tinyurl.com/n7z9t Once you have the patterns and architecture, you may pick a bunch of helper libs to improve the appearance, reduce your layout time and costs, validate data, bind data, perform operations in the background. If you are new to Java I'd bind data "by hand", not with an automatic binding. Next, you may want to learn how to combine all the above. Scott Delap book "Desktop Java Live" that describes the patterns, architectures; he mentiones example libs for the appearance, layout, etc. And describes a small application where he brings these techniques together. I provide the sources of the Skeleton and Skeleton Pro apps as part of the commercial JGoodies Swing Suite. These show how to tie things together for reasonable large applications. I demonstrate many techniques and solutions in demo apps and do not necessarily put them in a framework, primarily to keep the amount of application helper classes small. Where a flexible and powerful framework requires significantly more modules, classes, documentation and learning time. Larger desktop frameworks are the Eclipse RCP (most parts require the SWT), Netbeans RCP (quite large), and the Spring RCP (version 0.1 is now avaible). -Karsten Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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