Hello:
Does anybody have an opinion on how widely Swing apps are accepted in
Fortune 500 companies? My client -- a small IT secruity outfit, is
considering revamping their flagship product, a Swing application with a SQL
Server backend.
They're questioning whether it makes sense to continue developing the
existing Swing app -- possibly provisioning it via WebStart, or, to bite the
bullet and develop a full-fledged J2EE app. They have the idea that thick
clients are a hard-sell -- or even automatically rejected, at certain
companies.
Has anybody else come across a thick-client ban?
Any opinions would ne much appreciated ...
Griff Jones
Roedy Green - 11 Feb 2006 18:12 GMT
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:53:01 -0800, "Griffith Jones"
<griffith_jo@comcast.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone
who said :
>Has anybody else come across a thick-client ban?
the alternative is so bloody stupid I can't believe so many people are
doing it -- AJAX.
This sits atop a flaky, insecure JavaScript. Sooner or later there
will be a string of really nasty security attacks using it and
corporate America will have no choice but to ban it from their
desktops. Then where will everyone be who built apps so solidly around
JavaScript?
I really bugs me the way Google is pushing JavaScript down our
throats. I figure out how to get rid of it from site-flavoured
searches, but not from AdSense.
So many sites simply won't work unless you enable JavaScript and
popups. Many insist on that wretched pile bug dung, IE, that Gates
says he won't fix ever unless you submit to XP.

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Ian Mills - 11 Feb 2006 18:25 GMT
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I haven't actually come across a thick client ban but certainly there is
a perception among many companies that 'web is best' which has led the
company I work for to redevelop many of its functions in browser based
applications.
Thomas Hawtin - 11 Feb 2006 20:53 GMT
> I haven't actually come across a thick client ban but certainly there is
> a perception among many companies that 'web is best' which has led the
> company I work for to redevelop many of its functions in browser based
> applications.
"Web is best" seems to be based upon the notion that the web is easier
to use than desktop applications. Stands to reason, dunnit. I guess
that's down to the web applications tending to not cover so much ground
and the web interface tying down bad programmers.
Of course AJAX changes all that. Now we can have over-complicated web
apps which are difficult to use, slow, difficult to program, expensive,
buggy, less reliable and don't actually achieve much that alternative
methods would. Still, that was never a problem for EJB.
Tom Hawtin

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Brandon McCombs - 11 Feb 2006 20:56 GMT
> Hello:
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> Does anybody have an opinion on how widely Swing apps are accepted in
> Fortune 500 companies? My client -- a small IT secruity outfit, is
> considering revamping their flagship product, a Swing application with a SQL
> Server backend.
You are worried about Swing when you gloss over the fact you are using
SQL Server still?
> They're questioning whether it makes sense to continue developing the
> existing Swing app -- possibly provisioning it via WebStart, or, to bite the
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