I've wandered around in both of these and did so again.  I'm sure there
is something here, but haven't found it yet.

I've also looked at both of these before, along with several others.
Right now I would just like to find a "HelloWorld" example that does
not use jsp along with jsf.

As you can see, I haven't even found a simple Hello World.  Since I'm
trying to get the information for someone else to investigate, I
haven't pulled down any code myself, but I would like to know that what
I'm asking for is feasible.

I might have to do the work myself to get Hello World, but it sure
seems like someone else must have done this before so I wouldn't have
to reinvent it.  I know there are JSF forums and I might have to post
to one of them, but the chatter I've seen so far has more to do with
struts integration, jsp, and taglibs than what I'm hoping to do.

Thanks. --dawn