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Patti Koenig - 09 Oct 2003 18:33 GMT
In response to this email,

Last year I released an open source interface from javascript to
java3d called FastScript3D. I had made an observation that when using
the vrml loader vrml97.jar within a java3D applet, the following error
was generated from within the loader code:  message is access denied
(java.lang.RuntimePermission createClassLoader).  This may have been a
problem with that particular loader only.  My comments and
observations that ones java policy could be changed with associated
risks to eliminate this error were my own and in no way represent JPL
or NASA.   In light of this email, I plan to remove the applets in
question and all comments about java policy from my web site.  I am
truly sorry for any inconvenience this email has caused.

Sincerely,
Patti Koenig

At 12:11 PM 10/9/2003 -0400, P. Flavin wrote:

VRML can be Animated in a Browser with Java3d
---------------------------------------------

 with __ NO __ changes to the Java policy,
 with __ NO __ certificates,
 with __ NO __ additional downloads

with Sun's Xj3d VRML Loaders
----------------------------

on any system configured to run Java3d which
includes most professional graphics systems including:

  Windows, Linux, SGI Onyx, Sun Solaris & IBM AIX.

Daniel M Garland wrote:

>  i'm having problems [ with Yumetech.com's 'new' Loaders
>  for viewing Web3d.org's 3d file format ] building [ compiling ]
>  the source code.
>
> I've tried both the stable version, cvs versions and
> development snapshot.
>
> I get  different errors each time and I appear
> to have everything installed correctly.
>
> Out of all the components they say you need on
> the website which ones are actually essential to build ?
>
> Dan

http://xasa.com/grupos/comp/article.php?id=37331&group=comp.lang.vrml

Yes, that's not surprising.

There are lot's of problems with the 'new' loaders from Yumetech.

The 'new' Yumetech.com Xj3d Loaders often fail.
The 'new' Yumetech.com Xj3d Loaders often fail
where the older, reliable Xj3d Loaders __ work __.

If the Yumetech Loaders Fail, try the reliable Sun Loaders
----------------------------------------------------------
|
 Nist, Navy PGS, NSF  Fingerspelling Animations
--------------------  work in a browser: wihout problems.
|
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/vrml_loaders_working.html

Nasa uses Java3d & VRML for Web Animation & Sun's Loaders
---------------------------------------------------------
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/Nasa_3d_animation.html

Nasa's Dr. Koenig wrote :
|
| [ ____ False and Misleading claims follow ____ ]
|
|
| LOADER PROBLEMS  [ No, Dr. Koenig's follies ]
|
| When I run an applet from the [ Nasa's ] FastScript3D
| web site, particularly one that is trying to load a
| vrml or other file in, I get error messages about
| security vialations in the Java console window.
|
|  Nothing is displayed. What is wrong?
|
|
| If you are running an applet located on a
| remote web site that is loading 3D models
| or other files, you will often get this message.
|
| To fix the problem, you can relax you security
| to enable you to read the files. Click here to
| read Sun's documentation on the policy permissions
|
|  and ___ associated ____  risks.  _____
|  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
http://fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov/faq.html

 ___Risks ___ Security on the Web ___
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ is important and it is important to
 deal with this issue honestly in a professional and
 responsible way and your unprofessional unhelpful
 conduct is irresponsible and harmful.

 It is irresponsible for you Dr. Koenig to encourage
people to reduce the Security setting of their browser
when there is ____ ABSOLUTELY __ NO __ REASON ___
for them to do so.

Please do __ NOT __ repeat the LIES of Yumetech fraudsters.

Ms. Koenig your statments demonstrate

a serious lack of intelligence and integrity
--------------------------------------------
and your statements in agregate are misleading
and inaccurte with respect to the important issue of

___ Animating 3d in a Browser ___ with Java3d and VRML

and your false statements are consistant with the
False and Fraudulent and Criminal Conduct of Yumetech
liars Justin Couch and Alan Hudson.

The Sun VRML Loaders can animate VRML in a browser
______ without ______ changing the security setting.

Dr. Koenig:  You are a liar or a fool.

Sincerely,

-- Paul, Java Developer & Web Animator
--------------------------------------
Imaging the Imagined: Modeling with Math & a Keyboard

 Nasa's Dr. Koenig wrote :
 |
 | [ ____ False and Misleading claims follow ____ ]
 |
 | FastScript3D is the easiest way to make 3D web pages
 | ------------------------------ and learn about Java3D !
 |
 http://fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov/

 Nasa's Dr. Koenig wrote :
 |
 | [ ____ False and Misleading claims follow ____ ]
 |
 | Simplifies Sun's  Java3D  for web use
 |
 http://fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov/

Patti, Web Animation should and can be simple and safe.

Your statements and programs make it

___ less ___  safe and ___ less ___ simple

   --- and that is bad, unnecessary, and undesirable ---

We need better solutions that are ___ easy and safe ___
and your solution is inferior for no reason other than
your ignorance and arrogance, Dr Koenig.

We need solutions that are portable and reliable
and ones that help scientists, students, and web users
and be free of the limitations, problems, expense, and
dangers of Microsoft's inferior products criminally
foisted on consumers by Microsoft's illegal anti-competitive
practices in violation of US anti-trust laws.

We need government employees to do their jobs with integrity.

You have failed thus far: Repent and Sin no more.

Thank you.

< BlockQuote src= http://www.mail-archive.com/java3d-interest@java.sun.com/msg25976.html

FileLoaders for Java3D: the Sun vs. the 'new' xj3d Loaders
-----------------------------------------------------------
| H-Anim and MPEG-4 are dependendent on
| implementing technologies, of which Java3d
| is one of the best available to us and both
| H-Anim and MPEG-4 have been held back
| by misperceptions, false statements, and
| unethical conduct.
|
| The VRML Loaders from Sun provided
|
|  the highest level of functionality for
|  loading VRML files into Java3d ...
|
|  -- and still do --
|
|  ~~ please ~~ correct me ... if any other
|  VRML loader is more capable for loading
|  VRML into Java3d and rendering it with
|  animation.  ...
|
| Recently Justin Couch wrote vulgar and false statements
| regarding the functionality of the VRML Loaders
| developed at Sun, his statements were challenged by a
| Sun engineer:  ...

http://www.web3d.org/WorkingGroups/web3d-mpeg/hypermail/2001/0159.html

False and Fraudulent uncorrected claims by Justin Couch
and the unreliable publisher Prentice-Hall have falsely
claimed the Sun VRML Loaders cannot animate Web3d.org's
VRML based H-Anim Loaders: They can and they do animate
VRML models including US Navy PGS, NIST, and NSF models
including Finger Spelling for the Deaf animations.

Navy, NSF, NIST, Web3d.org Human models animated w. Java3d
----------------------------------------( VRML & H-Anim )
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/vrml_loaders_working.html

</ BlockQuote >
|
http://www.mail-archive.com/java3d-interest@java.sun.com/msg25976.html
P. Flavin - 15 Oct 2003 16:46 GMT
 The Failures of Nasa's Java3d Fastscript3d " Educational "
 ------------------------------

   program show how unethical conduct leads to failure

   and in no way reflects " best methods " for web animation,
  Java programming, or proper ethical conduct for Nasa staff.

  -------------------------
  |
  | Send email to Patti.Koenig@jpl.nasa.gov
  |
  |  with any questions you may have.
  |
  http://fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery.html

  I did, but Dr. Koenig refused to answer them  ;^(

 Dr. Patti Koenig failed to respond to this e-mail:

 Greetings ...

>>  I was under the impression that:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>
>>  3 ) The Fastscript3d web pages are now offline. ( Why ? )

         ( this one got a reply, thanks )

>>  4 ) The Fastscript3d programs did not support VRML animation
>>  for no apparent reason.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>
>>  Why doesn't your program support animation for VRML ?

  I'll add another ...

 6 )  You have been aware of the vulgar and slanderous
   statments made against  __ some __ of the people
   using the Java3d, VRML, and the Sun VRML Loaders
   ( as you  are ) ...

   Do you think government researchers should enourage
   honest professional constructive communications in
   the professional forums they partipate in for the
   mutual beneifit of all those involved and for the
   benefit of  US industry, educational system, and
   national defense ?

 The latest Nasa WITS Mer program failed to run on my system.

   8^(

  http://wits.jpl.nasa.gov/public/downloadmer.html

  --  Paul,  Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 3:20 PM EST.

Nasa does Web Animation with Java  and VRML
--------------------------------------------
 http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/Nasa_3d_animation.html

 ^-- updated with Nasa WITS Mer VRML - Java3d model image.

Patti M Koenig wrote:

> Paul,
>
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>> |
>> | [ posted to Java3d-list :  January 6, 2003

http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0301&L=java3d-interest&P=R7159

>> Patti M Koenig wrote:
>>
>>> Flavin,
>>> There is a WITS project at JPL that already simulates the rover
with Java and Java3D.

>>> Since I am not part of that team
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/Nasa_3d_animation.html

http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/shout3d/models/planetary_earth_moon.wrl

>>  Your reply was unhelpful and unprofessional.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 59 lines]
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>> http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/Nasa_3d_animation.html
 http://home.rochester.rr.com/javajava/Ani/ani_mars_robot_arm_java3d.gif
>>>> http://fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov/
>>>> http://fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov/vrml97.html
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>>> http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/H-Anim_Avatars.html
>>>> http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/sc_java3d_editor.jpg

http://home.rochester.rr.com/javajava/Ani/ani_mars_robot_arm_java3d.gif
>>>> http://fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov/FS_MODEL/vrml-roverR.wrl
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>>>
>>>>  Java Developer & Web Animator

 If any one at Nasa could answer these questions about

 Nasa's " Educational " Java3d program ...

  Thank you.

  Sincerely,

  -- Paul Flavin, Java Developer & Web Animator
  ----------------------------------------------
 Imaging the Imaigned: Modeling with Math & a Keyboard

 cc: Sue LaVoie,     Nasa JPL Manager 382, Susan.K.Lavoie@jpl.nasa.gov
 cc: Vince Realmuto, Nasa JPL Supervisor 3823,  Realmuto@jpl.nasa.gov
 cc: Julian Gomez    Nasa, Web3d.org BOD   jgomez@mail.arc.nasa.gov

 Header:

 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003
 To:   Patti M Koenig <Patti.M.Koenig@jpl.nasa.gov>

 From: "P. Flavin" <imaging@frontiernet.net>

 Subject: Re:
    Fastscript3d - Java3d & VRML _ with _ animation _  Mars Rovers (#3)

  References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030922105813.02674158@mail.jpl.nasa.gov>
  <5.2.0.9.2.20030922105813.02674158@mail.jpl.nasa.gov>
  <5.2.0.9.2.20030924104703.026450d0@mail.jpl.nasa.gov>
  In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030924104703.026450d0@mail.jpl.nasa.gov>

> I had made an observation that when using
> the vrml loader vrml97.jar within a java3D applet ...
[quoted text clipped - 83 lines]
>  --------------------------------------
> Imaging the Imagined: Modeling with Math & a Keyboard

http://xasa.com/grupos/comp/article.php?id=6261&group=comp.lang.vrml
http://groups.google.com/groups?&group=comp.lang.java.3d&selm=3ef91fc8.031009093
3.55dc9ef7%40posting.google.com



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